Unknown 1363(Germany)
mentioned in SFL 13 and FRE 508, with the same grantor appearing in both; only FRE 508 mentions the place as being close to Lake Starnberg ('prope lacu Uuirmseo'; Würmsee was only renamed Lake Starnberg in 1962) thus probably situated in modern Bavaria; the editor of SFL 13 rejects two previously suggested identifications without providing an identification of his own
Unknown 1986(Italy)
Fiscal "fundus" in territory of Farfa (but also location of a "curtis" donated by Hilderic and his mother Taciperga to Farfa in March 773 - see CDL 5:60)